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Discussion in 'Forum Support' started by Randydrew6, Aug 8, 2017.

  1. kmonmoy

    kmonmoy Member Supporter Founding Supporter

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    If you ask me, I would say RL subscribers are moving away because most of your bots require Residential IP. I remember when I used to buy 0.50$ proxy for Bing. I was making enough to get back my proxy and server investments. And then the restriction of residential proxy came.

    Even after that a lot of us international users (living outside USA) found Django and other proxy providers. It was good for a while. Even though the residential proxy were costly, we were making enough money. Then two shits happened.

    1. Cyberlink proxy (the residential proxy) got banned by swagbucks and earnhoney.
    2. Debucked died.

    Debucked was making us more money than any of your bots. I was making over 500$ with just 3 residential proxy and 3 good dedicated servers. My NET profit was over 300$. Now all is gone.


    Solutions to your Problem @Randydrew6 :

    I don't believe that there is any easy solution. Residential proxy is now hard to get. The cheapest one i can find are 12$ in BTC or the recent ones @Gloria Parker started to sell at 15$ Paypal. The best bread winner of your bots was the Bingger, now there is no AGC in it. Then comes the swagbucks, which now loves to ban. And the other good bot EarnHoney is now barely making 1$ per day, may be because of the IPs or they don't get enough advertisements.

    In all, I'm barely making enough to pay for the servers and the proxy.

    I think those who are leaving are mostly International users like me, who things it's not worth the time to spend money on something which barely pays. For the USA residents, I see in the chat that they are still making good money using their legal IP.

    So, I suggest that you should make some bots or find some ways to keep those International users. There are some sites that pays for IPs outside USA. For example, Perk.TV. As far as I remember it supports at least India.

    I hope other people can give you more suggestion. Keep up the good work mate. I'm using your service for years now. I hope to stick with you as long as I can break even with my investment.

    Regards.
     
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  2. Randydrew6

    Randydrew6 Administrator Staff Member Admin VIP Senior Mod Moderator Founding Supporter Organ Donor Donator

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    I'd like to keep it mainly USA ip's because it's very difficult to cater towards other users. I'd like for users to understand they should make a $10 profit a month and not expect more than that, making hundreds constantly forever will never happen off gpt botting. Perhaps bot farms for games but the overhead cost is not worth it, there isn't any overhead with my bots but the profit isn't high but their is a profit.
     
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  3. Randydrew6

    Randydrew6 Administrator Staff Member Admin VIP Senior Mod Moderator Founding Supporter Organ Donor Donator

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    I dont want users to be required to use a proxy, I want my site to be about making a small profit to buy a pack of beer every month or something small.
     
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  4. kmonmoy

    kmonmoy Member Supporter Founding Supporter

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    I agree with you about that 10$ profit, but you know, people wants to get rich over night :) . I guess the main problem is the residential proxy. It's really hard to get and costly. If there is a solution for this problem, I guess there will be more subscriber.
     
  5. Randydrew6

    Randydrew6 Administrator Staff Member Admin VIP Senior Mod Moderator Founding Supporter Organ Donor Donator

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    What security reasons?
     
  6. Randydrew6

    Randydrew6 Administrator Staff Member Admin VIP Senior Mod Moderator Founding Supporter Organ Donor Donator

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    there are solutions, a lot of users are using them but no one will ever tell you because they dont want to lose their methods, thats why it's easier to cater toward the USA home user
     
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  7. Hollywood

    Hollywood Member Founding Supporter Organ Donor Donator

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    There were leaks here that shared what was supposed to be private information to other sites. Mainly why the 3rd party devs here bounced . You had a lot of subscribers who were only here to use those 3rd party bots and they paid a subscriber fee for access to chat and private marketplace. After that fiasco, several people still stuck around and paid just for access to chat. Now the chat is opened up to non paying subscribers here so there really is no reason for them to pay.
     
  8. Hollywood

    Hollywood Member Founding Supporter Organ Donor Donator

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    I think you underrate the ability of your bots and what should be expected of them.

    My usual daily take in from the bots -

    Bingger - $1.50 -2.50
    Neobot- $0.50 - $1.00
    EarnHoney-$2.50 - $5.00
    Swagbucks- not using
    Gifthulk- .60 - .80

    Although it fluctuates based on ad availability I usually hit $5 - $10 a day without much effort from your bots. This is easy to achieve with a U.S IP. I hit far more than that daily adding in other stuff. Also earning $10 profit for 30 days of run time probably wouldn't be appealing to anyone. That can be done pretty simply with things like "all you can eat" from sb or sites like koinme and engagemetv.
     
  9. Randydrew6

    Randydrew6 Administrator Staff Member Admin VIP Senior Mod Moderator Founding Supporter Organ Donor Donator

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    I mean that is possible but it I just want users to make a total of $5-$10 profit a month off the bots, i figure that is enough for them to stay
     
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  10. spawny57

    spawny57 Member VIP Supporter Organ Donor

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    Well, weeks ago a friend of mine bought a subscription to test your bots (we are not from USA, important), then he ran into family problems and had to stay away from computers for some time. He told me to take a look at what could earn us decent "beer money" (aiming 100€ per month with many VPSes, yea we do like beer alot). So I did test.

    The first thing that got me in trouble was : USA restriction

    Told myself, no problem, I'll get a VPN/Proxy = bad mistake
    As you can see from my posts, I tested quite alot of proxies, ended up loosing money fast. At this time, earnhoney bot was waiting for a fix too.

    The rare time when I could register to EH/GH/SB, I could never redeem because of "violation of ToS" or whatever reason they'd ban your account for and never send you the gifts.

    I ended up telling my friend that it is not worth the money (even if the price is cheap IMO), as it is way to painful to get it working flawlessly OUTSIDE the USA.

    I know how you could get ALOT of users, and it will not cost you a dime :

    Go on many forums/websites and search to partner up with a solid proxy/vpn provider, be sure their IPs are working with your bots and you will drain LOTS of European users.

    This way you could add another pack to your page, and if you do it correctly you won't even have to deal with support if you have set a good deal with the proxy/vpn provider, they shall take care of it.

    Your pricing is correct, the BIG problem here is the OUTSIDE USA part, once you get it solved (no need for programming, only commercial skills), you'll attract a BIG european market.
     
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  11. Kurrin

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    The problem with partnering up with a VPN/Proxy site is that if GH/EH/SB decide to ban the complete subnet then you run into the issue of needing to find another VPN/Proxy service and possible have to issue refunds to those that are affected because now they are not able to use the service. Randy cannot guarantee someone else's service will work with his bots since he has no control of said service.
     
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  12. b35773

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    Randy -

    First, thank you for all that you do. I know this is a largely thankless job and your support over the years has been commendable. Keep up the great work!

    As to what you should do to keep subscribers, I'd suggest two things:

    1. Make it easier for subscribers to make, share, and find tutorials. When I first started using RL last year it was fairly easy to peruse the past forums and figure out how to best calibrate the bots for success. Now it is nearly impossible. While I understand the legal and/or competitive concerns of hiding such guides from prying eyes, being able to access them is essential for both new users and those of us looking to learn from the best practices of others. There is so much nuance to setting these bots up to work optimally that it is virtually impossible for new users to do so without clear instructions. If you want to keep new users, you need to give them a means of learning how to do so. If you are concerned with privacy, maybe create video and/or written tutorials available on request from verified accounts?

    2. Similar to the above, I would suggest being a bit more forthright with the specific settings - including which VMs, PV's, Proxies, etc., that users need to use. I assume you are concerned that too many people having clear access to that info could result in an over-saturation of the market for those "in-the-know" - that's reasonable. However, it is only worth considering AFTER you have a solid subscriber base - in the interim there is little to lose from just straight up telling supporters (discriminately, obviously) exactly what they need to do to maximize earnings. if they see a return I PROMISE you they will be happy to pay. Once you have a solid roll going you can manage the concern with oversaturation by increasing the price of the subscription (which will further focus your subscribership to the people willing to put in the work to earn big - these are the people you want to work with anyway. Everyone just interested in a quick buck will drop off, and they likely would have been the ones likely to be careless with resources anyway. Oversaturation problem solved)

    I would be happy to pay MUCH more than I do currently for VIP if I could reliably scale up my earnings. Right now it's incredibly frustrating because I keep bumping up against what feel like simple, artificial ceilings and I have nowhere to get answers. I am 100% certain that the problems are fixable but I have no idea how to fix them nor whom to ask. If I could see a clear path forward I would be more than willing to put in the work - I just can't right now. All of the changes you've made to the forums have made it feel like I'm even less likely to find that path than I did before. I guarantee you alot of the other users feel the same way.

    You make a great product, but right now most people using it are, at best, breaking even on what they pay for it. Let's figure out a way to fix that so ALL of us can earn the big bucks our efforts deserve.
     
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  13. Hollywood

    Hollywood Member Founding Supporter Organ Donor Donator

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    This is a good suggestion but Randy can't provide this info for a couple reasons. For one he doesn't use proxies or the such. Most users here will not give up the good proxy sources they use so unless its shared by a user here Randy can't really help in that regard. He has already said that a couple times. (Proxy is needed by a large portion of ppl coming here from other countries).

    The second is I haven't seen anyone not earning what the site was designed for them to earn unless they specifically can't get any bot to run which is usually an ip related issue. Even if your only earning 5pph on EH this is considered optimal. If your VIP then this site is designed for you to make $1 a day across all the bots. If your a regular subscriber then its .66 a day. So knowing that, the standard setting on each bot is already good enough to achieve those results. Most people earning way above these amounts are not gonna share their personal settings simply because they don't want 50 people doing exactly what they do.

    With that said I agree with everything you said as I think the ball is in Randy court on keeping subscribers. There is no incentive here for community members to provide detailed write ups/tutorials outside of just being nice. Plus their are always abusers who take your shared info and re-share it elsewhere. Hell I'd write some tutorials up for something as simple as a tag on my profile.
     
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  14. b35773

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    Hollywood -

    I don't disagree with you on anything you've said. I'm not sure how Randy can increase subscriptions without developing some sort of clear, reliable (to both legacy users and newbies) marketplace where we can share what does and doesn't work for us with others. Borrowing from your statement re. writing up tutorials for some benefit - it would be cool to have a system where users could pay other users for one-on-one support and/or access to training materials that depended on having a VIP subscription. Then EVERYONE would profit.

    Idk - just spitballing.
     
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  15. ihacknewbies

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    10$ isn't worth the hardware depreciation and electric.


    I see the issues as
    1. Stuff constantly doesn't work. 10$ profit is based at 100% uptime which just isn't realistic.
    2. Even when it does its very potential profit
    3. Theres nothing worthwhile in the private marketplace.
    4. You can earn more using earnhoney legit than with your bot since it uses the worst sites.
    5. Gifthulk almost never pays so you really can't cant that as income
    6. You dont add new bots for the better new sites you just keep the old stuff that barely works
     
  16. ihacknewbies

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    The proxies won't work if they're known.

    If all the ips in a subnet use the same site they ban the subnet.

    Hell half the sites ban for more than 3-5 per subnet now.
     
  17. Randydrew6

    Randydrew6 Administrator Staff Member Admin VIP Senior Mod Moderator Founding Supporter Organ Donor Donator

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    1. Everything is working, if anything breaks it is fixed in a weeks time max
    2. everything is profitable when it isn't the down time. currently im making over 500 swagbucks a day and over 4,000 gifthulk points a day.
    3. That is correct
    4. You can use earnhoney legit but it wouldn't earn much because of viewability
    5. Gifthulk pays every 4 days
    6. I don't add new bots because there is no other site worth botting yet, once one catches my attention I will bot it. Currently the bots I do offer earn more than enough.
     
  18. Hollywood

    Hollywood Member Founding Supporter Organ Donor Donator

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    That is easily bypassed with the focus script floating around.
     
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  19. kalypso

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    If you're lucky. For the last few months they seem to be back to their old ways of only paying a select few. Just check out their Facebook page for all the complaints. I personally ordered 2 gift cards in July and two months later they still hadn't delivered or responded to the 3 tickets I opened. And this was on my main account which I've had since 2012 and was Diamond level. I finally gave up and asked them to just close my account. They responded to that ticket in 5 mins. lol fuckum

    There are little to no mini ads on Neobux so it's only $0.05 cents a day if you don't have refs.

    Superswag was still getting lots of soft bans for me after all the updates and both that and Earnhoney use up too much of my data cap to be profitable (I hate Comcast!).

    Bingger is still decent, but I'm losing interest cause I've had some issues with selling keys.

    That's why I unsubbed, but I'm sticking around hoping for some new bot releases.

    Btw, why is my name still red? Is that a glitch?
     
  20. George Lopez

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    Bingger just got acct issue wont let me redem buts let u keep all points earned so odd

    Neobux-issue loads tons of chrome windows for ad clicking had 20 open when i came back

    GH seems work ok occassional get frozen wont show window i f hit button no issue i just cashed out 90 dollars

    Rewardshopping-still works solid

    In regard card issue i have same issue on acct still havent sent me card over 4 months old offcourse for amazon.. time to start posting on facebook.. maybe bad pr cause issue just shut me up
     

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